Some Say that Contemporary Israel is Europe of the 1930's Era

You have bought into the anti-\'settler\' narrativ	Date: 2012-01-05 16:59:49 By: Nigel
Accusations/arrests/distancing orders are not proof that the \'settlers\' are responsible, but rather lead one to consider that they are not. You have also taken the likes of the sign in the shop window out of context - although if \"Israel is Europe of the 1930\'s\" then it is the Israeli State acting against the Jews! Lastly, who you look to in order to confirm your bias is rather telling, ie, a so-called Israeli-Arab intellectual who says he is afraid the Jews will do to his people what his people have done and continually threaten to do to the Jews. Israel is in a religious war, not a territorial one - although part of that war is the Arab strategy to separate the Jews from their land and delegitimize Orthodox Judaism and an Israeli State in any borders. Without Orthodox Judaism, Israel is illegitimate in any borders, and any truly Orthodox Jew knows that. Many secular Jews now believe they have stolen Arab land, because without belief in the Torah there is no legitimacy to Jewish settlement anywhere in the land, except that the extant International Law enshrines that only Jews have national and political rights between the river and the sea, which no Jew, no Israeli PM/Government, and no other entity can legitimately change. The problem with Israel is that it is waging war on Torah Jewry. The Left has always waged war on Torah Jews, even during the War of Independence (!). The secular State has excluded the religious and blamed them for going their own way, and every time the religious try to integrate into the workforce, IDF, etc, they recreate the barriers in order to continue to exclude them. The State also encouraged Jewish settlement over the so-called Green Line, including funding it, and now regularly destroys and seeks to destroy Jewish life there, which is also legitimate under extant International Law. State forces attack homes in the middle of the night, and beat Jews, including children. They destroy synagogues, Torah scrolls and holy books. The State also keeps blaming \'settlers\' and hareidim for violence, yet proof is usually not forthcoming. Right now, the media and the State continue to attack all hareidim rather than the one hareidi sect that is acting up. Israel is anti-religious. The secular State is frightened by the increasing proportion of religious Jews and is increasingly waging war against them on all fronts, whether labeling them \'settlers\' or hareidim. It is seemingly more important to wage war on religious Jews and exclude them than anything else. Jews waging war on Jews is the problem. Jews waging war on the Torah is the problem. Refusing G-d\'s gift of the Land of Israel is the problem. Israel doesn\'t look like a true democracy to me, but then most so-called democracies are steadily dismantling themselves. Democracy is a weak system, always was, but its inherent weaknesses are being patched by totalitarian measures. Unity is not being sought. Maybe the solution is to divide Israel into independent secular and religious states? The secular state could wash its hands of the Yesha and Old City \'problems\' and leave the religious to do what G-d is still waiting for us to do. Unity is clearly not on the cards until Moshiach comes. Unity cannot be achieved by forcing secular \'values\' on the religious and spitting on the Land.
thank you Nigel	Date: 2012-07-07 22:26:17 By: Valerie
you said it all Nigel. I was shocked at his very liberal clueless attitude also. i would expect that naivety from an american liberal Jew, but one who lives in The Land ??